I have recently acquired a SMLE and would appreciate any assistance in dating and identifying the particular mark. It has a magazine cut off plate fitted, an adjustable foresight blade, and offset rear sight protector Dating bsa rifles but no windage adjustment.
It has been suggested that it may be 's vintage but I have no way of knowing if this is correct. Any enlightenment would be eagerly received. You may find the site given below of some help, without pictures it's difficult to tell. I've a SMLE with rectangular cocking piece, but no cut off, still excellent to shoot even out to yds. You'll probably get some more informed members answering your question, but if you haven't seen the site below there is a mine of information "Dating bsa rifles." The bolt has a matching number and the cocking piece is rectangular rather than round.
You probably have a BSA rifle made to military specifications, but produced for the "Dating bsa rifles" market. BSA were showing such a rifle in s and s sales catalogues, the accompanying bayonets were also offered. I am not sure about the rectangular " cocking piece ", I would expect that to be the older ' round ' type, so that may not be original to the rifle, and may be a later modification.
The BSA logo LF refers to is probably on the barrel knox form look at the "Dating bsa rifles" of the rifle behind the rear sight you will see Dating bsa rifles semi circular cut-out in the rear of the upper handguard this is where the barrel mark is usually stamped. One clue as to the date of manufacture may be under the upper handguard if the barrel is dated they often are you can remove the upper hand guard by carefully levering it off it is held in place by a spring clip you will probably find quite a few stampings under here.
Dates are usually stamped lower down on the lefthand side of the rifle in the format '23 for etc. Observed data suggests BSA used an L prefix for serial numbers in the s and 30s as you do not report one does this mean yours does not have a serial prefix? Here are two version of the BSA stacked rifle logo - one on a siamese rifle and the other on a production rifle military but using this barrel. Yes Aug 5th approval but in the interwar period there often appears to have been a return to the original The changes were largely production simplifications.
They are interchangeable and over the years frequently interchanged! The serial number being without a prefix would suggest a possible manufacture date in or the early 's. Apparently BSA used no prefix before the L series. The lighter copy left is their dated Catalogue, and the darker copy right is their mids Catalogue, and that pretty much covers the possible date Dating bsa rifles for your rifle, as Chris has said, you need to
Dating bsa rifles your rifle for any possible date markings shown on the barrel.
No all BSA rifles actually. Dating bsa rifles has 'no prefix' serials coming prior to the L series from "Dating bsa rifles." If you find a made BSA, that may shed some light.?
Here is a LINK which may be of interest. You won't get much closer than that.! OK so maybe there is a difference between the military rifle and commercial rifle serial numbering procedures, when it comes to BSA production of SMLE's.? That would then date Dating bsa rifles rifle to the 's when it was made as part of a large order for rifles placed through the UK Government Crown office by the above. I was "Dating bsa rifles" to suggest the OP with Thunderbox who has excellent knowledge on these contract blocks and I see is one of the responders in the gunboards threat you link to.
A BSA commercial with a 5-digit number starting with "5" is one of the "Bahrain" contract rifles. This is a fairly large batch of rifles originally sold to the Gulf States or however they were termed at the time in the s. These rifles came back onto the surplus markets a few years back and are a well-known specific batch. Lots have been de-activated, many cleaned up into really good shooting rifles. The rifles themselves vary from very worn to almost mint in condition.
However they are examples of probably the best-made No1s produced - peak quality s BSA, with no wartime compromises. Underneath the oil-soaked black finish, the wood is usually straight grain walnut. Hence they have cut-off, brass marking disk and narrow pattern front piling swivel.
The brass butt disk usually has a single rack number in large font. The rifle in question has very nice light walnut woodwork pretty similar to the top one in Thunderbox's photo, but there is no sign of there ever being a brass marking disc in the butt. I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable to know whether the front piling swivel is narrow or otherwise.
I would like to take the opportunity, as a novice, to ask one more question. Earlier protectors had ovals machined into them to reduce weight, this was dispensed with in wartime production.
Can someone advise how to remove the wood to see the date on the barrel near the chamber. Which end should be levered and what tool is best? It is usually possible to grip the handguard from above and Dating bsa rifles it off straight upwards, but it is usually easier to lever it off rear first by inserting a thin lever under the rear of the handguard the semi circular cut out Dating bsa rifles levering
The danger is splintering the thin fingers on the front of the handguard. I will await images. The reason I ask is I have two smles both deacs.
They are a BSA and an Enfield. Both are dated below the bolt. Wondering if barrels will match? The spring clip is quite strong but once it is eased up slightly so it is gripping the "sides" of the barrel it can be lifted off upwards.
The danger is putting too much pressure on the thin wood fingers. If the spring has lost some strength it Dating bsa rifles often possible to pull the hangguard straight up and off, if a lever is needed just use it to break the initial grip then pull upwards avoiding pressure on the thin fingers.
Here is a thin screwdriver inserted under the upper handguard and GENTLY levering upwards until the spring reaches the midpoint. I do this gripping the handguard and pulling straight upwards to minimize pressure on the fingers and as soon as spring gives I pull straight up and away from the body. Managed to remove the hand gaurd made easier as the delicate "fingers" have been sawn off long ago.
The barrells on both bear 17 dates which match the guns themselves. Yep the absence of the fingers makes it much "Dating bsa rifles" nerve-wracking! It's a very practical modification! Although it is sometimes hard to match the colour replacement upper handguards can be found pretty easily should you wish to replace them, including NOS ones which can, with a little care, be stained to match, although a perfect match is hard to obtain.
Will leave Dating bsa rifles they are as they are clearly original and as you say matching the wood will be hard. "Dating bsa rifles" butts on both show evidence of repairs with nw base spliced onto one and sections on the other Too many crashes on the parade ground!! You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Sign up for a new account in our community. Already have an account? Posted 7 January is no obvious date of manufacture to be seen.
Share this Dating bsa rifles Link to post Share on other sites. I too would suggest it is probably inter-war.
Dating bsa rifles BSA logo LF refers to is probably on the barrel knox form look at the top of the rifle behind the rear sight you will see a semi circular cut-out in the rear of the upper handguard this is Dating bsa rifles the barrel mark is usually stamped One clue as to the date of manufacture may be under the upper handguard if the barrel is dated they often are you can remove the upper hand guard by carefully levering it off it is held in place by a spring clip you will probably find quite a few stampings under here.
Dates are usually stamped lower down on the lefthand side of the rifle in the format '23 for etc Observed data suggests BSA used an L prefix for serial numbers in the s and 30s as you do not report one does this mean yours does not have a serial prefix?
Chris Edit Here are two version of the BSA stacked rifle logo - one on a siamese rifle and Dating bsa rifles other on a production rifle military but using this barrel and "Dating bsa rifles" poor picture showing barrel dating - of course if it is not the "Dating bsa rifles" barrel this will not be much help!
I believe rectangular cocking pieces were introduced during the war? Posted 8 January Posted 9 January Thank you all for the information that you have provided. I have found it to be very helpful. Thank you 5th Batt. A happy New Year to all Down
Posted 20 January The upper handguard Dating bsa rifles held in place by fairly strong double spring clips. I will take some pictures to show what you are dealing with.
OK so here goes So here is the handguard and spring clip. Appreciate your time sorting the reply. Posted 21 January Thanks Chris, Will leave as they are as they are clearly original and as you say matching the wood will be hard. Create an account or sign in to comment You need to be a member in order to leave a comment Create an account Sign up for a new account in our community.
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